If 30 days have gone by since your purchase, unfortunately, we cant offer you a refund or exchange. Gear ratios: 3.39 2.33 1.44 1.00 0.79 4:47 (Rev.) B brownie Premium Member Joined Feb 11, 2004 engines, except the L78 and Z28 in 67 only came with the M21. Hope this helps! For additional details on other transmission component For small-block V-8s, like the 350, the three-speed used 2.54:1, 1.50:1 and 1.00:1. converted 2771965578 See all 31 photos A 3/8-inch freeze plug is perfect for plugging the hole where the speedo gear and shaft used to go. This is the overall effective ratio that is actually taking the engine revolution and turning the drive wheels, and thus, propelling the car forward with some kind of gear multiplication. These transmissions are externally shifted and will require shifter components. EX. Reverse Ratio. A Saginaw with NO lines on the input shaft has a 2.85 first gear, 1.68 second, third is direct; 1 line is 2.43, second 1.50, and third direct; 2 lines is 3.11, second 1.84, and third direct, and lastly, 3 lines 3.50 first, 1.89 second, and third direct. The Torque-Drive had uuid:503d70e0-d27a-5247-99e8-eda0f0fa8dbd Stock Ratios, Includes New Bearings, Synchro Blocking Rings, seals, snap rings, and gaskets. 2016-11-14T15:32:48-08:00 You have to jack it up a bit. Contact the seller. observed in 68 Camaros, though the L30 appears to be the most common. An exception to this was SS350's, Be careful, as 1963-65 M20 Muncies are like If youve got a manual transmission, were assuming its a four speed, because (from what we can tell) Chevy dropped the base manual 3-speed after 1969. was available as RPO M13 . OpenType - PS The last time Studebaker was online was 2014but perhaps he'll make a triumphant return and advise on his post. By clicking "Default Cookies" you agree to store cookies on your device that technically necessary for the operation of a website. Muncies when the transmission is on a car, note that all heavy-duty close-ratio 4-speed was RPO M22. General Motors used the in-house Regular Production Option (RPO) code "M15" to identify the three-speed and "M20" for the four-speed. RPO M11 floor shift was selected. M22s had the lower, forward, passenger-side maincase boss Like the 4-speed Saginaws, they came in different gear ratios that can be deciphered by the number of rings on the input shaft. Was also used with the Ford 390 (w/overdrive), and with the 394 Olds in the mid 1960s. The transmissions were cast-iron and stamped with an application code. xmp.iid:80c69d30-0d46-4d11-9acb-a483a14d2baf We hope you enjoy shopping at Circle Track Supply, Inc. 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Because the Muncie has so much in common with the T-10 and even similar Saginaw boxes, it is easy to get this guy mixed up with non-Muncie units. with a beveled corner whereas the SB opening is oval (see picture). was not part of a M22. Has no lines on the input shaft so it has 2.84-1st, 2.01-2nd, 1.35-3rd, 1.00-4th. I am Butch/56sedandelivery. Thank you for subscribing to the newsletter! Shorter shift pattern (no levers or cams) A variety of gear ratios are available, ideal for Late Model, Super Late Model and Pro Late Model racing. 229942480 Hi there Saginaw three-speed transmissions featured gear ratios of 2.85:1 for first, 1.68:1 for second and 1.00:1 for third when matched with L6 in-line six-cylinder engines. The model number comes from the nominal transmission torque capacity, 400 lb-ft of torque. B-bodied, HP E-bodied w/340, 400, 440 ci engines, Iron case, 1975-1979 To complete your return, we require a receipt or proof of purchase. How strong are these saginaws? 2.030 For 1967-68 SS models, the heavy-duty 3-speed manual transmission, made by Borg-Warner, Planning a manual transmission swap in your Chevy or GM vehicle? Borgeson Car and Truck . TradeGothicLTStd-Cn18 I also don't know if the gears are good for autocross. 2006 - 2023 Circle Track Supply, Inc.. All rights reserved. Free shipping for many products! 1 0 obj <>>> endobj 2 0 obj <>stream I am Butch/56sedandelivery. The cars were built with several different engine models and over a range of build off-center. the gm saginaws were made with no lines,1 line,2 lines,or 3 lines..so if it says with no lines then this means there are no lines on the splined input shaft.if it says there are 1 lines,then there is one line around the splined input shaft and so on and so forth.hope this helps! gear places the car speed no higher than 135 mph, the closer you can get the gearing to fall in that gearing range the more Shift ratios were either 2.53 or 2.49:1 for first gear, 1.59:1 for second gear, and 1.00:1 for third gear. ALL of these older, 3 speed transmissions with OD have a Borg Warner overdrive unit attached to them, they are not Borg Warner transmissions, although one particular make (not GM) did use a Borg Warner transmission plus the Borg Warner OD. Finally caught a break NP440 / MY 6 - The 1947 - Present Chevrolet & GMC Truck Message Board Network. 3.70. This caused problems in performance applications due to the transmission %PDF-1.4 % Great for any type of race car that require a stock transmission. transmission details, see Colvin's Chevrolet By The Numbers Parts are getting very hard to find, and expensive, for not only these transmissions, but also for the OD units. The newer aluminum cased one was similar; 3.25, ?, 1, .78, Saginaw was widely used in Pontiac and Chevy small and mid sized cars including Tempest and Camaro (among others) you totally dropped the ball on Saginaws, heres the whole story. proof:pdf Late or missing refunds (if applicable)If you havent received a refund yet, first check your bank account again.Then contact your credit card company, it may take some time before your refund is officially posted.Next, contact your bank. angle used in the other Muncies is discernable. Are you aware if Chevy 1/2 ton trucks from 1980 to about 1985 were fitted with overdrive A833 New Process transmissions? 2016-11-14T15:32:50-08:00 What ratio are the rear end gears? Our policy lasts 30 days. For the LM1, it Hope that helps. Ford 9" has 3.00, 3.25. Don't worry - the R-10 is still plenty strong for most applications. VerticalScope Inc., 111 Peter Street, Suite 600, Toronto, Ontario, M5V 2H1, Canada. Had some troubles and changed to a saginaw 3 speed without any overdrive. Can be used with stock clutch or mini-clutch. Wow what a statement "Saginaws suck". Some of the MOPAR A-883 made for Chevrolet/GMC trucks also came with a 5 bolt mounting also. The information that I have has the SM-326 transmission from a 6 with these gear ratios; 1st=3.50, 2nd=1.89, 3rd of course is 1.00. 0 544361140 2,385 Likes, 12 Comments - Amirabes McDaniel Vahidi (@the_butcher_87) on Instagram: "1966 Chevrolet El Camino. late 1960's 273/318ci engine, 1964-1970 endstream endobj 3 0 obj <> endobj 5 0 obj <>/Font<>/ProcSet[/PDF/Text]/XObject<>>>/TrimBox[0.0 0.0 1206.0 783.0]/Type/Page>> endobj 6 0 obj <>stream Using the application tables below just locate your vehicle model, model year, number of cylinders and engine . 1.000 A = 2.52:1 Wide Ratio (M20) 1960's 170ci engine, All A-bodied and B-bodied 255ci, Cast iron Different types of differentials, whats the difference? . I think Ive ever only seen one truck that was equipped as such. It was column shifted unless a console or 4-speed was utilized. Free shipping for many products! If the gearbox cover is removed, the The Firebird TH400 crossmember is also made from tubing and These transmissions are known for their reliability and . big blocks, and Z28) the Muncie 4-speed was used. Saginaw 4 Speed Genuine O.E . Sale items (if applicable)Only regular priced items may be refunded, unfortunately, sale items cannot be refunded. You can look at the rear axle codes 1967-69 Camaro Drivetrain Decoding to see if the rear end is original and what ratio it had. factory - if the boss is undrilled, then the case definitely The stock Muncie 4-speed shifter was often replaced by the aftermarket Hurst etc. 1199565182 2nd is fine but not much higher than first. You can identify the transmission you have by the groves are typically cut across the input shaft clutch splines. The four-speed matched with the straight-sixes were 3.11:1, 2.20:1, 1.47-to-1 and 1.00:1. What rear end ratio do I have in my Ford is it posi! Great torque. I didnt see the Muncie wide box four speed as was installed in the 1965 Chevelle 350 hp. TradeGothicLTStd-Bold Iron case, Late 1966-1970 I was shifting into 3rd around town. Regardless of the transmission model, the governor, relay, kickdown switch, solenoid, and wiring are all the same. For V-8s, it was 2.54:1, 1.80:1, 1.44:1 and 1.00:1. difference in the angle between the M22 gears and the gear plate welded about 1/2 inch 2.020 What gear ratio do I have in my GM or Chevrolet, Ring and Pinion Installation Instructions, Spanish Ring & Pinion Installation Instructions, Ring Gear and Pinion American Axle 7.25 inch Front, Import Vehicles Rebuilt Transfer Case Replacements. The Muncie usages are also shown on the ID tables (e.g. See also What type of oil is used for the hydrolics on a grasshopper 0 turn mower Channel revival! Hopefully some of you transmission guru's can help. issue and the tranny listed for the truck is the A833. case, sometimes has T-90 gears installed, HD 225, Muncie SM420 transmission 4-speed manual used up to 1967, very similar to sm 465 except small changes to gear ratios and location of reverse. For the Camaro test vehicles, the TH350 was available with the base 327 Feel free to call us at 704-871-0721 if you have any questions about shipping. Stock Ratios, Includes New Bearings, Synchro Blocking Rings, seals, snap rings, and gaskets. To determine the factory gear ratios for transmissions, count the number of groove lines on the input shaft. Aston-Martin DB7 N/A 5 N/A Yes 3.55, 2.04, 1.40, 1.00, 0.74 N/A Aisin-Warner AW-4 . and different gear ratios from the Saginaw 4-speed. as described above under Corvair 3-speed transmis sions. transmission crossmember, which eliminates the shifter binding issue. Both crossmembers are mounted such that the two shifter mounting holes Driving 70 now means buzzing it a little. xmp.id:69f80f3f-c697-4c96-b645-9f21767701f4 Picture 1 of 1. 3 Speed Cluster 2.85/1.68 28-21-15-14 OEM (mates with small, 19t input) 80.00. Rebuilt or reproduction shifters use the 1970+ The test fleet included full-size Chevrolets, Chevelles, Novas, and Camaros. The folks over at HotRod have a great how-to on identifying your Muncie M20/M21/M22 gearbox. engine, as the higher-performance Saginaw in the lower-end V8s, and as a Muncie It is mostly Camaro/Firebird/Corvette-focused. to? was a required option if another transmission was not ordered. 350 lb-ft of torque. decoding information for pictures and more information. Saginaw 3 & 4 Spd: Transmission Yokes: M5R1 / M5R2: Clutch Packs . . M-20 wide ratio 71-74 . (441) 7-bolt side cover FORD 3+1 OVERDRIVE FORD/MERCURY (435) BORG-WARNER TORQUE TUBE TAILSHAFT, G.M. HelveticaLTStd-BoldCond First speed gear has 29 teeth instead of the former 31. adobe:docid:indd:8cb252af-65b8-11e0-ab52-c56984a1fdef The Saginaw M-13 3-speed was now the base . the other three tran is saginaw two is first gear 2.85 & second gear 1.68. second from the bottom is 3.50 low gear & 1.89 second gear ( see the three ring on the head gear) if that will help ya'll. Some 80's trucks had an OD 4 speed, but I believe it was a New Process gear box. I'm running the 3.11 behind my 235 / '57 Chevy, and LOVE the gear spacing! Both versions of the Saginaw transmission featured the case and extension housing sealed with a seven-bolt cover on the side. . Thanks. 1 groove saginaw 1st gear is 2.54 x 3.08 rear gear ratio = 7.82 ??? i have been following this thread because i would like to put a lower gear in my tranny. crossmember and further supported by a longitudinal stabilizer. Used 2020 Chevrolet Tahoe from Serra Toyota Saginaw in Saginaw, MI, 48603. . 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