italian black powder revolver proof marks

0000008059 00000 n Anyways, the modern stampings are needed to produce a legal firearm in Italy (black powder p [roof testing and overall firearm inspection proof for example) and to allow it to be exported/imported into the USA by a number of importers/vendors under mass or individual contracts. 0000008415 00000 n 1989 = AU. CF - 2010. 0000050889 00000 n Uberti black powder revolvers are exact replicas of their famous predecessors, and are built to perform reliably and safely with modern black powder loads. In 1849 the additional ciphers for provisional proof the letters E.L. in script, enlaced, and the sign of the tower of Liege a little obelisk upon a pyramidal base, also shown on the right [above]. xref 0000080318 00000 n In the picture below you can see first the year of manufacture "BM" indicating it was made in 1999. Interestingly enough, the Made in Italy stamp on the bottom did survive 2. ,!x#B3`Ev 0000086754 00000 n individual armorers and inspectors used their own unique stamps in some Marks, Arsenal & Inspector Marks, Manufacturers endstream endobj 43 0 obj <> endobj 44 0 obj <>stream 0000011188 00000 n 222 0 obj <>stream I saw that as wellnote that AE was used, but "BE" is skipped. Location: High & Dry . THE AMERICAN SPIRIT. The "not all revolvers are proofed" is unverified since nobody is willing to admit this. 0000016410 00000 n THE PROOF MARK IS A STAR OVER PN. cases. 0000078152 00000 n Senior Member . xref Italian reproduction date markings Italian reproduction date markings By Brasspounder December 23, 2014 in SASS Wire Start new topic Brasspounder Members 321 Gender:Male Location:Fairbanks, Alaska Interests:Shooting old time blackpowder guns, landline telegraphy, railroads SASS# 9076 Golden Heart Shootist Society, Fairbanks, Alaska referred to more commonly as "Proof Marks", A picture of your revolver uploaded from your files would provide the other clues as to what specific model you have. 0000009920 00000 n Italian Gun Manufactures Proof Marks & Dates 41 2 comments Best Add a Comment csaduck 4 yr. ago Many of us have Italian guns that were not quite sure of the date of manufacture, this is a list I got a few years ago (2003) and hope it helps out. 0000051690 00000 n Uberti cartridge revolvers are true replicas of original historical designs. The Italian proof houses in Gardone and Valtrompia have been around for a very long time but as far as reproduction black powder arms are concerned, the dating begins in 1954. Fjestad. Gun Proof Marks, Stamps and Date Codes . 0000010816 00000 n 0000147394 00000 n 0000013906 00000 n Pietta 1858 Remington Buffalo Black Powder Revolver - .44 Caliber 12" Barrel Brass Frame w/ Blued Barrel - RGC44. Italian made cap and ball sixguns have a variety of markings that denote the year of manufacture, the proof houses where it was tested and the manufacturers name or logo. I'd bet that CE was skipped as well (as are all "G" combos). Seen on repaired guns that required re=proofing. Anyone have the latest date codes? This warning appears on the bar- Thanks for your help. 136 0 obj <> endobj 0000129535 00000 n Miscellaneous These marks are the Belgian Lion rampant over the letters S.C.H. Birmingham had also a proof, but this test was not obligatory, and makers evaded the tests. These 0000003452 00000 n 35 45 Dashing Leper 36 Cl. Interestingly, the spout/measure of the powder flask that came with my revolver only measures 19 grainsby weightof the blackpowder. SPANISH PROOF MARKS PROOF MARKS: SPANISH PROOF MARKS, cont. The viewers mark was a capital V, also surmounted with a crown. since 1950 E. German, Suhl 1st black powder proof for smooth bored barrels since 1950 E. German, Suhl inspection mark since 1950 E. German, Suhl choke-bore barrel mark PROOF MARKS: GERMAN PROOF MARKS, cont. SKU: FRS18511. 0000001896 00000 n The table below can be used to see if your gun was proofed in London or Birmingham. 1891 - present 16 The brass frame makes it a Confederate. that we have found on this subject. 0000010481 00000 n This will be an on going 0000000016 00000 n manufactured firearms, such as pistols from Spain and Italy, will list a It has black powder only on one of the lower barrel flats but is stamped upside down. This mark appears with the standard marks and standard load marks for the caliber. The "PN" under a five point star in a wheel is the actual proof mark. August 19, 2012, 10:13 AM #8: MogrenE. If it is a fake it's more likely any of the Italian proof marks and makers stamps were carefully filed off or filled then filed. Remington New Army 1858 as copied by the Confederate Army during the Civil War. Underneath the whole appears the word St. Etienne. FOOD, 0000016679 00000 n http://www.muzzleloadingforum.com/fusionbb/showforum.php?fid/131, https://www.muzzleloadingforum.com/threads/modern-replica-dating-by-proof-marks.49482/, Pietta Full Fluted Cylinder 1858 NMA Pistol Question. The well known manufacturers did not want their name and reputation on a cheaper firearm, so these were sub-contracted out. country requiring that weapons sold within the respective country, and 0000008989 00000 n below are samples of Proof Marks of different countries. 0000005284 00000 n Markings: The top of the rifled barrel is marked "Col. LeMat." surrounded by a decorative border, the left is . 1873 cattleman new model black powder muzzle loading Showing all 17 results Default sorting Sort by popularity Sort by newness Sort by price: low to high Sort by price: high to low 35 0 obj <> endobj 0000001485 00000 n FABBRICA ARMI F.LLI PIETTA DI PIETTA GIUSEPPE EC. J. 0000014575 00000 n The laws were remodelled in 1849, and definite rules as to powder charges laid down, and the cipher, as shown on the right [below], granted as sign of definite proof. . Prairie Dawg, SASS #50329 0000067226 00000 n 0000009831 00000 n It is available on the web from Adobe as a free download. 0000096938 00000 n Italian Date Codes. I cant seem to find the exact one any where. Board Of 0000039738 00000 n On our website you can find manufacturers and suppliers of guns and ammo from all world. :hmm: Thanks for the help. The cylinder is marked with the Gardone and black powder proof marks and displays a reproduction of the 1843 Navel battle scene typically found on Colt C1860 Army revolvers. Many Italian made reproduction cap and ball firearms retail used in the $40 to $150 range. 0000001752 00000 n "Proofs" as they are sometimes referred to have changed over Most specimen marks are of this nature, and it is no unusual thing to find the marks of two different smiths upon the same weapon, one man signing the lock work, the other being the barrel maker. are cottage industry type weapons without a specific brand name. M855 Green Tip. for identifying the acceptance and proof marks as it appears, many T^;y} 4E Barrel Length: 7 " Octagonal Sights / Optics: The front sight is a brass bead fixed to the barrel . 2: A re-bored rifle. 0000015377 00000 n During the heyday of the reproductions, there was a great deal more sharing of parts among the Italian manufacturers than was ever suspected. The polished brass trigger guard and walnut grips hold true to tradition. <<619EF975DD20A74ABA8163A7762AED27>]>> Abbreviation and tradename for Early and Modern Firearms Corporation, a manufacturer and importer of black powder and cartridge arms in Studio City, California. The gun is a good shooter but the hammer comes down solid on the nipples, enough that the hammer isn't fully down. 0000029262 00000 n Uberti cartridge rifles embody the look and feel of the Old West. New rule called for marking of gauge along with shell length for smoothbore barrels. This rifle is equipped with an elevation and windage adjustable Creedmoor rear sight and spirit-level tunnel front sight with windage adjustment micrometer screw. Quick View Add to Cart . 0000003320 00000 n hb````g`c`0 B@16Le7w'o{` TxMCS/xJe:JgNf_%B"\j %Ry\azM,Po}*;dA6a` q !I20d JPB`P!f)L|1>(x5 LN!A!p5_6&.g`xi,alhpg+. 0000050991 00000 n As for value comes with box and back powder flask. 0000004972 00000 n 0000002539 00000 n 0 b` I"G3M9YCNxB5)f(1TVVA |7dZgM gBg >noPow l+zyU"^-0x5LH2O4~3z1RuYC.5,CJc38Z"(:o0IoJ(V-7Lvh{_.#DAh8 skootchingdog 4 yr. ago It seems fitting that "XXX" happened in the 70's. to identify the manufacturer. 0000004123 00000 n These guns will also have the "NP" mark. In this video I'll. 0000027918 00000 n Next is the mark which has "PN" - the Gardone & Brescia 1st Black Powder Proof mark used since 1959. 0000028135 00000 n since 1951 Gardone & Brescia 1st black powder proof PROOF MARKS: ITALIAN PROOF MARKS, cont. 0000001796 00000 n H\@OQEcb{+ nb~{:0|wvrqrkx?:S],\hi~,]#M=m.0Mn6sjZ]e/&oKZ!b>^SM U\bw~tWcV.Y,qd^"+"!b^!{w{=2i3{dad:=Npz:=~E~e~MYxGxGxGxGxGx=SOA>} 0000013204 00000 n Yours may be an example. 0 Joined Mar 2, 2020 0000042008 00000 n and an eagles head. 0000099401 00000 n 0000037090 00000 n 0000006511 00000 n Thanks, Spence. The major manufacturers could not meet the demand and American distributors wanted more of and different models of what were being produced. 3l\9/OEK0joW/L242:ORES\";OhBzP%% - eupGHsP/Y$T y&$ iJ.iO7+asMi3>6fV#iBM u*wzY!.biCEy;Z7yA+lpNQFP+dV4N5t i ix)]'Aa-;O;KGg 6+Rg^vF$^og>XxZaNz:E We have provided you Fairly common in comparison, owners would have their favorite smokepole bored out instead of having the barrel re-rifled or "refreshed". The marks were obliterated when I finished the frame. PROOF MARK CIRCA PROOF HOUSE TYPE OF PROOF AND GUN since 1852 Belgium provisional black powder proof for breech loading guns and rifled barrels - - double proof marking for unfurnished . Junior Member . The This type of proof is designed to prevent the manufacturer from continuing work on barrel blanks which may have hidden defects. Bookmark 1970 = XXVI. Four of Italy's most highly respected gunmakers: F.A.I.R., Sabatti, Pedersoli, and FT Italia bring the latest in firearm design, technology and materials to the United States while continuing to follow the centuries-old gun manufacturing traditions of Italy. 0000007161 00000 n Testing the gun The third is a plain stamp, with the letters A.V.E. Italian Firearms Year of Manufacture Look Up. $399.00. It is unfortunate from the point of view of history that weapons were not marked with a date letter as is customary with silver hall-marks, but the proof-marks stamped upon arms give no indication of the period of proof. The butt is marked "PFT FIE ITALY", etched "5K8 12 80755". Hb``a``=P @1630i`@GDTVs(R {g i 23>`.0,p?PA! 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These firearms 0000003864 00000 n Uberti Recommends. 148 75 0000131632 00000 n 0000120205 00000 n All rights reserved. 0000092657 00000 n 0000009527 00000 n These two, and sometimes the makers private mark, may be found on many old weapons. Copyright 2017 and beyond. %PDF-1.6 % CD - 2009. Starting price $549. Armourers marks are quite distinct from proof-marks, and comprise the private marks, ciphers, stamps, or signatures of the individual armourers or gunsmiths. trailer 1946 = 2. Also has pn with shield on cylinder. You are using an out of date browser. Again, thank you Condition Grading Definitions For Antique Firearms, This website may not startxref {Za%a\#XDs9dE;*ci8=agercR"Vf|^z 96MXKk8}vd+X0L@skz j> 'th,6bB%t%]iNjNyksz+l4 C2&y*8NOalS?E:{'-~+[+GOk-cOcJ( oGljoR_Gb }6[w;vd ! endstream endobj 34 0 obj 782 endobj 35 0 obj << /Filter /FlateDecode /Length 34 0 R >> stream 0000037734 00000 n 1968 = XXIV. Parisa cipher of E. and P. set back to back (as shown below). 0000013676 00000 n This "certifies" that each chamber was proofed at 8,800 psi with a 30% plus load. for your continued support, encouragement and admonishment. Uberti set the standard for producing quality replica firearms by which all others are judged. to identify antique arms from different parts of the world, we decided For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. Action Type: Percussion Black Powder Revolver. The second is the crossed branches, with the letters A.E. Misc. List of 294 Italian gun makers, Italy suppliers and sellers and distributors Home > Companies Gun & weapons dealers from Italy category Firearms/ Small arms 47 Ammunition 3 Ammunition Components/Reloading 1 Shooting accessories/Guns storage/Training 4 Gun Care 1 Gun Parts 2 Machinery/Manufacture 1 Operational equipment/ Survival gear 3 Airguns 5 SKU: FR186012. 0000003020 00000 n 0000002932 00000 n THE PROOF MARK IS A STAR OVER PN. e"GK((((JYWo b>G{9NLc>O4N&+ n2 0000026203 00000 n gSchf41,%0&nMF;RD}|MY3-!!6m"m._Z8eGW7F]_[jGFS/`L{U\_&?4c@4xhZ+FGmLQA!^D9`xk'3'SL`AbE39a1Xl72t1Hl>|l lX3r7 @^o5I+u`,cB|H^iaPcbxW|)skz5UXx?8|qAo:"QUvbsd,!BD_Z6R'z~oAWF|1b+Q5,J[D:Spx%Ojoqo[$4gxcX-)I._[2$)Kfk4Z?X-DNP[I1bv(~SE_m6#O. The most visible change is the change from a crown to a star 1950 so crown and PSF is from the time between 1923 and 1950. %%EOF Their proof marks are two feathers, or curved branches, crossed with letters in the angles of the cross so formed. Predictably, speed jumped from around 750 fps to well above 900 fps. These marks have all the characteristic appearance of a rectangle, with a small blob at the top rather like a tied up sack of corn. Once tested and successful the weapon was stamped with a seal to That mark is the Italian proof mark for black powder, thus your gun is or Italian origin. weapon. 1967 = XXIII. Marlin-Savage-Winchester 0000015263 00000 n 0000005085 00000 n So, what follows is a photo library of many of the various Black Powder Proofmarks, Date Codes, Importer, Distributor and Manufacturer's Marks to help with identifying the manufacturer of your revolvers, pistols or rifles. Seen Starting price $499. 0000060740 00000 n 0000110238 00000 n date, serial number and property marks as well as various acceptance and PN under a star is an Italian black powder proof. marks tell the country of origin of the weapon. 0000051585 00000 n Last edited: Feb 17, 2018. 0000007839 00000 n I know that this info has been posted before, but I appreciate your posting it again. In 2012, Navy Arms now operated by Val Forgett III, temporarily suspended the importation side of the business. Posts: 14 . 1991 = BA. In addition to It has a Naval scene roll marked on the cylinder. It prompted me to get up and check when my guns were made. Feedback. 0000011827 00000 n 0000005051 00000 n The fourth the crossed branches, with the letters S.E.E., and a cross in their angles. Flog?5BnS'Vz] Wd;No$wBj2O56~N)T%D-69_f)Bl[RfU[aSV. C-96 (Broomhandle) Marlin Remington Ruger (& Factory Letters) Winchester U.S. Military Markings Gun Marks House Brands U.S. 0000001474 00000 n Further changes were initiated, when smokeless powder necessitated more stringent conditions of proof. 0000002251 00000 n Well worth some research. 1992 = BB. Good info. After years of looking at and trying startxref 0000002659 00000 n The mark is applied after the gun has passed the Belgian proof. 0000080946 00000 n 0000016749 00000 n Inspectors WWII German Codes & Markings GUN MARKINGS Please enter the markings you want to research and click the submit button. 0000113366 00000 n It is also these proofmarks, especially manufacturer symbols/logos that give us a history of the firearm. Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy. Copyright 2019 sassnet.com Established in 1960 by Knight Giuseppe Pietta, the company first entered the world of gun-making by producing hunting guns, including side-by-side and over and under shotguns. location, rather than a manufacturer. I have a older or what looks to be older blacke powder revolver that i have purchased. 0000012277 00000 n Recently someone posted a site tahta gave the codes of manufacture of Italian made guns. 0000027315 00000 n Black powder proof for rifles and shotguns. :idunno: I know it of recent manufacture since Pietta began making this particular model only in recent years. 0000014256 00000 n It is possible that these shops did not have an Italian firearms manufacturers license and could not sell their products direct, so they were sold through other manufacturers who had a license. 21 Proof Marks - Germany 1891 - 1939 proof marks: Nitro Final proof Black powder Choked bore Rifled bore Smooth bore 22 Proof Marks - Germany Weapons manufactured prior to the proof law taking effect (1893) were required grandfathered, but had . Measuring the bore diameter and chamber Powered by Invision Community. Serial Numbers. 0000016830 00000 n x4hjF%1I'WVH">^I*Yt} FSYD"}di)IK n!Hhf$=o:k$y}$*&L(\G'zyKdlG?Q\7>>SSV6K#OqDSIpzNh~~ x #=l%l&U ps~31H^$qB^7'0]?Ew#E=9+|uL>k/,xS-7wiN=KqOF` m2; ul_w`N` Lv endstream endobj 36 0 obj 741 endobj 37 0 obj << /Filter /FlateDecode /Length 36 0 R >> stream From left to right (upside down) are the test house and black powder proof house stampings, followed by a boxed BM, denoting a . There used to be an odd-duck that came about several ways. Most imported black powder replica revolvers are stamped with a variety of markings Italian, Belgian, German, Spanish or other Proof House symbols, manufacturer's symbols, and importer's symbols along with an encoded date of proof, also considered the date of manufacture. PROOF MARK CIRCA PROOF HOUSE TYPE OF PROOF AND GUN 1891-1928 Budapest smokeless powder proof for parabellum pistols Since 1981 Ferlach smokeless powder proof for parabellum . Double proof as prescribed by the French law of 1810. typically do not have a caliber designation; symbols and codes are used E.M.F. Davide Pedersoli's philosophy has been and is to retrace history by offering superior quality products even in gun reproductions Recreating a history of more than 150 years, our models represent for collectors, shooters and hunters a wide range of guns, short and long, military and civil, that characterize the historic period between the 1730 . The system of proof in Great Britain was as follows: In England, the second charter of the Gunmakers Company granted in 1672 marked the beginning of the official proving of arms, but it did not apply to weapons made elsewhere in the Kingdom, provided they were not offered for sale in the London market. 0000008370 00000 n Ordinance and Proof Houses were established by law in almost every As a result, we have a group of markings appearing on replica revolvers that have taken a long time to be identified because of the special conditions in the market at that time. Mf+wwJcC] }oUA!o=}OWWAn7 My revolver has 'Made in Italy' on the barrel, and the Italian Gardone proof as well as the Italian proof that has a star surrounded by 8 lands and grooves above the letters PN both appear several places on the frame and cylinder. It is not clear to me when firearms by Italian manufacturers other than Beretta began to be marked with date codes - it may have been as late as 1954, with the Roman numeral X. Update: (This was originally posted in 2006.) 1858 New Army Revolvers. The majority of marks will be found on the barrel flats, though early guns may have stamps on the tubes, under the forend. Make: Italy (Proof marks are inconclusive to manufacturer) Model: Old Model 1851 Serial Number: E2690 Gauge/Caliber: 44 Black Powder Action Type: Black Powder Revolver Barrel . 1: A true smoothbore rifle. firearms. 1947 = 3. All photos published on this site are the property of the author or are published with the permission of the authors. 22 0 obj << /Linearized 1 /O 25 /H [ 1485 306 ] /L 118117 /E 82195 /N 2 /T 117559 >> endobj xref 22 45 0000000016 00000 n Information, NRA This site is an educational and resource site for collecting cap and ball replica revolvers. The information was given to me years ago and yes I was wondering myself how they got 30% more powder into the cylinders! Founded in 1957 by the late Val Forgett, Jr. Over the years, this company has imported many black-powder and modern surplus firearms and replicas. determination. 0000115678 00000 n Some of these markings are COM, the Double Diamond Logo, PR, MOFRA and others as assembled below. From time to time, new data becomes available that corrects previous information found to be incorrect based on what was known at the time. 0000001196 00000 n Serial Number: 12150. The standard proving of weapons rose out of the need for protection on the part of the public against unreliable weapons, and it was also a means of protecting the armourer guild and good craftsmen against outside competition with cheap imported arms. -Ec]]`iBd[&QE~t|J3Wva64v0-uy6Owi.x1:y14y=l*^>rv^)eO>S^)zy^Qp.6CTZ=_"qU[f!=xKw2"+pMlb/}-g%0_/3LA0G#%gC_`uC/}uEpV:+kk The fifth a crown, with three crossed spikes set over a capital E. Other French towns had their special marks, such as Upcoming Auctions Auctions Near Me How Auctions Work | Help News Consign Price Results. Once tested and successful the weapon was stamped with a seal to acknowledge the testing - called "Proof Marks". 0000004172 00000 n 148 0 obj <> endobj 0000010481 00000 n Birmingham did not establish its proof houses until 1813, and though another Act was passed in 1815 to strengthen the former, the laws were not stringent enough, and the Birmingham proof was not recognized as sound until much later, when the Act of 1855, still unsatisfactory, and the eventually satisfactory one of 1868, was passed. 0000141211 00000 n HMo09..0pl4jub(FZf=~$ABP(XLP The Standard mark for French Government arms was a crown above an E., and this crown has a three looped top, with the orb or ball and cross as ornament, and is so distinguished from the cross-crested crown of some St. Etienne weapons. 1810 - 1853. <<421B3FD89E55944EA1FB205BE7ED37D9>]/Prev 780315>> :hatsoff: That is exactly the table that I was looking for. visiting our on-line listing of manufacturers identifying marks, 1851 Navy Engraved .44 Cal Nickel Black Powder Revolver. Proof I relative gave me a .36 Colt-type percussion revolver. 0000057983 00000 n Italian Firearms Year of Manufacture Look Up works for Beretta, Benelli and other Italian firearms. 0 reference books that display proof marks and their meanings. the examiner in determining the caliber designation of a military 0000004954 00000 n 0000007642 00000 n Beretta used no date code in 1944. The "PN" under a five point star in a wheel is the actual proof mark. Some proved pieces exist, and are marked in the case of revolvers with the letters U.S., in the case of other arms with the letters V.P. I never saw it extended to 2030! Yk1wJuYdBY"dS =\ =bz_$[om^+eh,*({5)JIZDf? Price: $380.00. JavaScript is disabled. 1968 = XXIV. You can choose to work with makers from Italy directly or contact distributors for a more varied assortment. 0000087569 00000 n S. There is no doubt that this system contributed much to the good report in which properly proved arms were held, and laid the foundation of much export trade. EMF Company, Inc. 1900 East Warner Ave. Dakin Gun Company Importers of Italian and Spanish Shotguns, c 1960 in San Francisco, California. 0000013830 00000 n According to Col Robert Whittington in "The Colt Whitneyville-Walker Pistol", the fires Colt walkers were proofed with a "full charge" of fffg and a Bullet. HWMs8WLE ydljblj+-Q%xvn Tr @w|;-'.y':BRdiR4&I &Ml7!e6"G'&y~>mh2?/.^/Fhy9xamNvYNy2k3ZX(`BIFybVE2-p$d(IF *^bSCv.* bW2P5a)M'?5*VT"fEdv/}Y4tU=iaf6hj\3qRplj9l#~ Oe{'zp{BM Weekly . Markings on gun barrels and other gun components that indicate the level of pressure, calibre and standards that a weapon is fit for in service.. 0000106738 00000 n I pray for all on the wire and all that I shoot with.After this last fight with cancer that my wife and GOD and all of you that prayed for her.Things change your outlook some. 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