My buddy has used speer gland slams in 175 out of his 7mm rem mag for years on moose and always had great success and when come bullets have been revovered they are probably 70 % weight retention? This type of bullet is designed to expand upon impact and cause maximum damage, and has been linked to a number of high-profile hunting accidents. here I found my 2002 speer catalog: it says "the AGS starts with a solid bar of guilding metal to for a massive jacket that is twice as thick as our North American Grand Slams" "A stop shoulder is machined" " multilock serrations". Copyright 2012 by Chuck Hawks. I've had midway do that on a few products over the years that were back-ordered that eventually came back into stock. Sub-minute groups all the way out to 300 meters. His concept of using a partition of jacket material between two lead cores (the front core would mushroom, and the rear core would drive deeply into the vitals) remains a staple to this day. As a businessman, I have The bullets had the two density lead cores and an inner belt designed to hold the core in the jacket. If all else fails I have a bunch of 375 H&H brass that I need to fireform to 375 Wby so they'd work to combine load development with brass preparation. I used the old style Grand Slams back in the early 90's.They were great bullets.I've also shot 120gr Speer Hot Cores and 117gr Sierra bullets.I never shot any Nosler's back then,but they now have 110gr Accubonds,115gr Ballistic Tips and also Partitions.I don't have any 25cals anymore,but I'd give Noslers a hard look.I don't think you will find . Unless angles were straight on or straight away bullets very seldom found. The 168-grain, .308-inch-diameter, boat-tail, hollow-point MatchKing, especially when loaded in the .308 Winchester, remains a major player. So with one sight setting, a hunter carrying a .25/06 is ready to cover a lot of hunting ground, fast. 150 Grand Slam 145 ELD-X 140 A-Frame 140 Partition 140 TSX 140 Accubond 130 Partition 130 TTSX 130 A-Frame All the above bullets will do what you need them to do without any drama. weight retention and deeper penetration. It also had a heal crimp that held the core in place. name to reloaders. GameKing, other conventional boat tail/soft point bullets and the various tipped/boat You are using an out of date browser. The biggest game I'm planning on shooting is Kansas whitetails, but it sounds like I need to do a bit more testing. I was reading recently that a lot of factory capacity has gone away from the slightly less common calibres and been given over to common stuff. The grand slam managed to penetrate through both shoulders of a Zebra standing broadside amd keep on going. I have experience with all three iterations. .300 WSM 150 Speer Grand Slam, 165 Nosler Partition Nothing on the .270 Win, .270 WSM or .30-06 Tom Reply. abandoned in favor of a monolithic lead alloy core injected into a gilding an interesting assessment! Joyce W. Hornady introduced his first bullet in 1949 (after making bullet jackets with Vernon Speer), and that 150-grain, .308-inch-caliber spire-point developed his reputation. I used to use the Mag-Tip in my 300 Savage until it was dropped a few years ago. 74% weight retention. The happiest days of my life were spent with Noslers (mostly Partitions) in my hunting rifle! I hunt Elk with the .308, and out here we do get some long shots. Speer's parent company ATK also owns Fusion, so that makes perfect sense. I have no experience with current production grand slams. One of Vernon Speer's last accomplishments was the Hot-Cor These bullets that follow expand rapidly enough to be reliable on Class 2 The days of using cheap and substandard ammunition have long passed as a result of the introduction of precision-crafted rifle bullets. It was the first component bullet I ever loaded and hunted with. I just ordered 500 285 gr .375 Grand Slams @ 50% off, $.30 each. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. The Grand Slam has a cold core stuck in the bottom of the bullet and then a Hot Core poured on top of it. The grandslam is a rather blunt tipped cup and core bullet with a thicker jacket. Compared to a Hot-Cor Most were behind the shoulder with complete penetration. I've never been able to tell the difference in killing potential from. Got a good deal so basically shot them of for the Brass. I came to the conclusion that the reason they used a conventional bullet was simply because it worked perfectly for the job at hand. metal jacket cup at 900-degrees F via the Hot-Cor process. Penetration must be sufficient for the bullet to get into rose the respected Speer Bullets, one of the major U.S. bullet manufacturers. Performance was spectacular, he shot nine animals, with 8 one shot kills. My son uses 180 Gr Trophy Bonded Bear Claws(no longer available) in a 300 RUM on elk .In last five years all were one shot kills from 50 yds to 350+ yds. When using these bullets in a magnum cartridge, I do prefer a healthy amount of bullet weight to prevent premature breakup, but Ill certainly attest to dozens of whitetails that fell to a 165-grain Hornady InterLock from my .308 Winchester. identical to the process that creates the bullets used in Fusion factory loads. Now I am loading the current .277/150 gr. It was created by John Nosler in 1949. When pulling it out, it looked like the perfect mushroom but the core fell out! That bulletthe #1400 .224-inch-diameter, 53-grain, flat-base, match hollow-pointjust happens to be the bullet my own .22-250 Remington likes best. The Grand Slams I have were made in the early 80's so I'm assuming they are the old style, they shoot around 1" in about all calibers for me with several powders. The original design used two lead cores of differing hardness in order to mitigate overly rapid expansion. The reloader can choose from a great selection of traditional and high-tech 7mm bullets - from 100 to 175 grains. Use sandbags or a commercial rifle No matter the powder charge groups range anywhere from 2-4 at 100 yards. The Speer Grand Slam Expansion Velocity is a unique round that is designed for maximum velocity and expansion. Some of them may appear on both the Class 2 and We aim to provide our visitors with everything they need to know about tennis, whether they are casual fans or hardcore enthusiasts. $131.95. I know this may sound like a dumb question, but is there any way to identify the old style Grand Slams from the new style without destroying a bullet? I could probably spend the rest of my days using a Nosler Partition as my go-to bullet (except where a solid is called for) without much concern. Speer prospered and from such humble beginnings Three shots around 0.8 @ 200 yds. It may not display this or other websites correctly. I had good luck with the old Grand Slams, before they were cheapened, I mean, redesigned. Get the 76th edition of the World's Greatest Gun Book. I recall the GS placed in the middle of the pack. lion, grizzly bear, brown bear and polar bear. Save Share. penetration after expansion. Combination hunts, such as for mule deer, black bear and Class 4 animals are heavy, thick-skinned game and the 9.3mm or .375 calibers are considered the practical minimum, while the over .40 caliber big bores really come into their own. I have a box or 2 that I haven't started working with so if they are discontinued I'd be willing to give up. All-around Bullets for Class 2 and Class 3 game. Another consideration is finding a bullet and load that your Varmints are small pests and include such species as gophers, No separation of of cores on impact. It is true that Speer produces bonded bullets for rifles. When a mushroom reaches the cannelure, the new GS bullet must rely on a longer, wider shank and lower forces. Last year he got a bull moose one shot and it was done. With factory loads you can't taylor bullets to rifles like us handloaders, so quite simply pick whichever your rifle likes and know your shooting a great bullet that will get the job done. They also penetrated deaper and retained more weight than the regular HC in my wet newspaper test. You are using an out of date browser. : ). I plan on using the AB for most of my hunting this fall. However, they do make a variety of other types of bullets, so it is possible that they offer a bonded option as well. . In addition, Hot-Cor is about half the price of Deep Curl. Grand Slam was designed to compete with the other deep penetration premium 210 and 225gr Nosler Partition 225gr Speer Grand Slam 230gr Hawk Spitzer Hawk Precision Bullets PRICE LIST 225gr Hornady interBOND . Use the one your rifle likes the best. I for the life of me can't figure out why anyone ever picked grand slams today over any of the other premium bullets. I recently started working up loads using Accubonds and was very pleasantly surprised with their accuracy. of the same caliber and weight to facilitate expansion. Bristol. I loaded up some 130 gr GS with Norma 204 and Win magnum primers and tried them in my Parker-Hale 270 this morning. Mag and 150s in 30-06 and 308. jacket into which is inserted a pre-formed lead core. The Speer Boat Tail bullet is preferred over flat base bullets at very long range, because of its higher BC. Speer has the 285 grain .375 Grand Slams for $14.99 per box of 50 with free shipping on $99 purchase. Caliber expansion than Speer's premium Grand Slam, with consequently less penetration. 2) 7mm 160 grain Partition 47 count - $30 shipped to conusa. Another consideration is finding a bullet and load that your rifle shoots well from the list of acceptable bullets for the type of game you seek. So far I've only shot paper and accuracy looks promising, especially in my Ruger #1 7x57. Once you determine the I am trying to compare the two in terms of other hunter's experiences regarding accuracy and terminal performance on deer, moose and elk. But, in 1975, the company that still bears his name released what I consider to be the finest design of Speers lineup: the Speer Grand Slam. Frangible bullets also provide the quickest The bullets listed in the Class 2 category can be deadly if Both work really well in my experiencelike the protected point on the GS!! It has the perfect combination of penetration, yet opens easily and creates large wound channels. retention in ballistic gelatin testing is claimed to be 70-75%. tapered jacket that increases in thickness toward the flat base. . calibers and bullet weights, it is suitable for all CXP2 and CXP3 game. Its suitable for nearly all game animals that are hunted with soft-point (expanding) bullets, including feral hogs, pronghorn, elk, moose, bear and even Cape buffalo. core and jacket are fused at the molecular level. Get the latest news and reviews from Gundigest.com. sheep, cougar, caribou, feral hogs, black bear and other thin-skinned game ranging For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. The A frame is a partition bullet. and other large game weighing in excess of 300 pounds live weight. Some bullets, such as the Nosler Partition, are offered in many brands of The bear snapped at the sting of the bullet then ran into a line of dark alders as the sun set. I shot elk last year with 400gr tsx. penetration than more conventional bullets like Hot-Cor. Their "heavy game bullets" are now all Trophy Bonded. You are far better of with that because you can put additional 20-30 shots into paper targets. If your quarry is deer, the Hot-Cor should be every bit as good. for a wide variety of game animals. The 250g 338 I used to use was great (and accurate) with the old style. seek. Ballistic Tip; Nosler . What are your experiences, good or bad, with the Nosler Partition or the Speer Grand Slam bullets on big game? I quit using Nosler partitions years ago as the tips would get bent in the magazine of my 338 Win Mag just from the recoil of the rifle. appropriate to the game hunted. The Grand Slam was once a very complicated bullet with dual cores, but it now uses a single core of lead alloy inserted using Speer's Hot-Cor injection technology. From coyotes to crows they were accurate and nothing moved after. I am hoping that is the Speer Mag Tips I loaded up to use on deer this fall in my 7mm Rem Mag. an interesting assessment! allows Speer to compete with higher priced bonded bullet offerings from Nosler, 210 Grain. 4 Classic Hunting Bullets To Fill Your Tag, 5 Things You Must Know About Concealed Carry Insurance, Bowling Pin Shootings High-Powered Renaissance. I agree with some of the above posts that the a frame is a superior bullet in general. are they currently being marketed as a premium bullet? bullets due to military demand. cases as jackets. Oct 20, 2010. GS bullets are capable of shooting at temperatures ranging from 275 to 300 F, and have a velocity range of 2200 fps. The Grand Slam is a Cup-n-Core with a three-part Lead alloy in the same tapered/fluted jacket as the SPEER Hot Core process. [This message has been edited by bulldog (edited 10-07-2001). It may not display this or other websites correctly. are they currently being marketed as a premium bullet? selection runs from .243-.338" at this writing and will probably expand. Why? The bullet features a copper jacket that is bonded to the lead core and a hollow point design that provides for maximum expansion. Similarly, the versatile Nosler Partition bullet is a perfectly reasonable choice for Class 2 deer in .257 Roberts, for Class 3 elk in 7mm Magnum and for Class 4 bison in .416 Rigby. Being a bullet guy, I wondered to myself why they hadnt opted to use a premium bullet for such a unique opportunity. I have them all, their just scattered in a multitude of places, as I rotate for 'new' reading material. The company is now owned by industry giant ATK, but still operates out of The sound of the Hornady 165-grain InterLock from the .30-06 Springfield striking flesh was undeniable and, within 25 yards, the stag was down for good. The Nosler partitions are OK, the Swift A-Frames are much better than the Nosler partitions. also improved accuracy. Grand Slam bullets are As such, it is more expensive than the other Speer bullets. I would be very interested in your experiences. What are your experiences, good or bad, with the Nosler Partition or the Speer Grand Slam bullets on big game? tail bullets of conventional construction (not bonded core) in the marketplace. I've shot a least 20 animals with it in Africa, and never a problem. And, as I proved with that Scottish stag (in addition to a couple of good whitetails and a Texas boar that fell to a 140-grain InterLock from a Rigby in .275 Rigby), its enough bullet. values, it gives a useable trajectory and retains plenty of energy out to sane distances. I was gonna say that MD, is that a "local" problem or part of the ATK master plan ?? Mostly 120 grain Nosler Partition but two rifles love those Speer's and one the 120 Sierra's. Good luck. I received an email from Midway saying that the Speer .257 120gr Grand Slam was discontinued. https://www.shootersproshop.com/catalog ategory/2/, https://www.shootersproshop.com/loading -50ct.html. For the Hornady, Swift, Remington and others. 190 Grain. and the price is great. For deer ive had stellar results with the sierra gameking and nosler ballistic tip. There are some classic designsthose our grandfathers usedthat are still viable choices and that remain highly useful and affordable options for the hunter and shooter. to Accubonds(went to 160's), similarly in my 25.06(went to 110's), because of the lead nose. I plan on using the AB for most of my hunting this fall. for Class 4 bison in .416 Rigby. The round is ideal for hunting or self-defense situations where maximum expansion is desired. They went away from the 2 different core hardness and now they are just one core of hard lead. Go figure. Hornady max variance was 0.006" variance, compared to 140g Nosler Partition at 0.001". Tough expanding bullets, such as the Woodleigh Weldcore, are usually recommended for heart/lung shots. 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